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Showing posts with label Peoples Tea Party. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Peoples Tea Party. Show all posts

Friday, April 16, 2010

More Tea Party Responces and newz. This is getting interesting!!!

I've been getting email on the National Strike posting, this is great! I'm going to put up a couple with my responces. Please take a minute to fill out the survey at the top of the page just under The Marble Bag logo. Web newz is at the bottom of the post, thanks alot! :-D





From: J
Subject: RE: A RESPONCE TO: National Strike -
To: "'pete pan'"
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 5:57 AM


Dear Pan,

As we both know, you and I often disagree over political issues, too. For instance, I truly believe that George Bush is a man of great integrity, and I like Sarah Palin (though have never been a McCain fan). I wouldn’t support Palin for president, though, because I think experience is critical to doing the job well – experience and the ability to surround ones self with good advisors.

I am a conservative, politically.

We often agree, though, too. And your response to this guy was spot on – imagine actually using the Constitution and the founding fathers’ words as a defense of your beliefs? Brilliant! – and rare. Good for you.

Probably the most important thing we agree on is this: we are being divided as a people by an ideological machine, neither wing of which fully or accurately represents We the People. But because we are so faithful to those sides, we resort to name-calling and contempt, and never hear what the other fellow really has to say. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could hear a person speak without first ascertaining whether there was an R or a D after his or her name? Wouldn’t it be nice if we could disagree without calling each other silly names like Troglodyte? (Troglodyte: A hermit: one who lives alone in solitude. Huh? What does that have to do with anything?)

At any rate, even though I like Bush and Palin – and Rush Limbaugh and a few others you surely don’t – I appreciate your e-mails and your insight, and your thoughtfulness. You set an example. That we are not each other’s enemy, I completely agree!


J

----- Original Message -----
From: pete pan
To: J
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: A RESPONCE TO: National Strike -


Hi J,

I don't completely agree with Rush but I listen to him regularly on the radio while I work. A lot of what he says is right on, but not always. The things Sara Palin says aren't necessarily wrong but many people disregarded her a long time ago over the way she handles herself, cutting out on her term early, and the way she talks, etc... Although she has some following, she isn't going to unite the country. Many on the left disregard the Tea Party's message because Sara Palin has attempted to take ownership of it. I think we need to find a new candidate who is going to pull people in from both sides. I have a sore spot for her because she got in front of the Tea Party (the peoples party) and pushed many people away because they don't like her politically. People tend to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Anyway I'm now on the ballot for Prescient Delegate! Vote for me in August!

Pano :-)


Re: A RESONCE TO: National Strike
April 16, 2010 5:23 PM
From: J

Hm. I agree with many of your assessments of Palin. I got a survey call recently where I was asked, "Are you a Tea Party patriot?" I answered yes. I was then asked, "Do you support Sarah Palin?" I answered, "For what?" and the survey ended. It was a recorded survey and I am sure wasn't equipped for something other than yes or no, but the truth is, I can't answer whether I support Sarah Palin without finding that out first. I don't support her for president. I support her right to a platform and I heartily approve of much of what she has to say. I suspect she was a decent governor - she had an 80% approval rating that transcended party lines. But those days ARE gone for her, admittedly. She has become very polarizing.

I will indeed vote for you.

J


Begin forwarded message:

From: a
Subject: Fwd: A RESPONCE TO: National Strike -
To: "pete pan"
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 6:33 PM

I sent this guy your reply and this was his response. What's missing from his take is that the Gov. committed 9/11.

A


Begin forwarded message:

From: X

This guy still doesn't get it. It's not what HE THINKS is a constitutional right (or probably what some anti-Obama organization told him to think), it's what the SUPREME COURT SAYS is a constitutional right, no matter how absurd it is. Didn't these people pay attention in high school civics class? Ergo my point that it is vital to elect a president and a supporting congress who will make SC appointments that lean toward the protection of civil rights, not corporate rights. Corporate control of the government , health care reform, restoration of rights, etc., etc., all start with the Supreme Court decisions. My current outrage is on corporate campaign contributions .... AKA the legalization of bribes. I.E. Corporate money is funding the moronic "Tea Party" with millions and outright lies through shill organizations, and the dupes are either too stupid to know, they don't want to know, or they are dishonest about knowing. Sort of like complaining about the frying pan by jumping into the fire. But I say go! go! go! run some candidates and split that repub-corporate vote!

BTW... personal income taxes are lower now than they were under Bush.... go figure.

Cheers,
/X

Re: Fwd: A RESPONCE TO: National Strike
April 16, 2010 10:11 PM
From: "pete pan"

This guy is a tough case. He's right about corporations being involved in government that shouldn't be. He's quick to categorize me into his idea of the republican party for having conservative/ libertarian views. The shape of this cookie looks like NBC to me. I don't disagree with him one bit about the corporations and government being in bed together, of course that's incredibly wrong. You can't set aside the Constitution and put your faith into 9 human beings to do what's right, so few are so easily corrupted with relatively small amounts of money and effort. He must be getting this idea that the tea party is stupid because the elite put Palin in front of it to keep people like him from getting on the band wagon. Contempt before prior investigation is ignorance. It's almost like they've built a protective layer of it around this chap. I'm not mad at him, he's right about alot but like you said he hasn't seen the view through the wide angle lens yet. Both extremes have pieces of the truth but they are kept polarized.

I admit, I listen to AM radio at work. However I still only pull out the good and throw out the rest. I used to hate Rush, but some of what he says is correct. He does go to far with the pro-corporate, pro-war, pro-Zionist message but I recognize it. This guy needs to recognize Obama's the same guy. The national debt is $13,000,000,000,000 and they keep spending. They all work for the bank that prints the money. The deeper in hock we go the more interest the bank makes. I'm glad this guy is happy with taxes now, he'll be really happy when they bring in a VAT.

Maybe you should show him a video of Building 7 and ask him why more money was spent on investigating Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky than investigating 9/11.

PS: I think Massad did it and certain government officials in the know were in on it. Of course we'll never know unless they conduct a proper investigation.

Cheers!


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The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
-- Ronald Reagan



Thursday, April 15, 2010

RE: National Strike - April 15 -18

(This is a letter in responce to the "National Strike - April 15-18" post, my reply afterward).

Be specific.
Exactly what part of our constitution is being ignored? I presume that people would be protesting the recent "Activist" decision by the Bush-appointed (5-4) Supreme Court to allow corporations to be "People" ... thus thwarting campaign reform and reducing an individual's political power.
Who is being taxed without representation? Don't these people know how to register and vote? The real problem is that TOO MUCH representation is going on.... see Supreme Court decision above.
Exactly what govt. spending is out of control? Looks pretty controlled to me. There are no new banking system bailouts planned, and the Auto companies have paid back their loans. Finance industry controls are now being developed... just watch who will oppose them.
Although it should be brought back under judicial control, I'm glad we have some domestic spying capability... might be a good thing to put some US violence-inducing terrorists in Gitmo. I don't want these liars advocating the slaughter of innocent children (or me) ala psychotic McVeigh.
If people think that their rights are being violated, they should be reminded that these rights are protected by the Supreme Court and that they elected Bush, a president who put corporate interests ahead of personal freedoms, who made Supreme Court appointments true to form. What did they expect would happen? And now they are listening to those same people?
"Etc."? What is that?... exactly.

The people who do this stuff are so stupid that it has taken them eight years to find out what is happening? What is wrong with them? Short attention span? Brain-damaged memory? Sort of like a perfect storm -- when ignorance meets arrogance. The time for this was eight years ago when the Repubs initiated the largest expansion of the federal govt. in history and plunged the country into the biggest debt in history while cutting taxes on millionaires and corporations, deregulating the health care and financial systems, and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslums. Then.... they blame Obama... the guy who is trying to get us out of this mess (the role of black people... cleaning up after white people?).

Losers always blame something else for their own failures.... i.e. the govt., teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs, and God. Americans elected Republican George W. Bush to be President of the United States TWICE!!! And now neither the Republican party nor the people want to face and admit their total fuck-up.

If they really just MUST protest something, protest against $10B/month Bush wars. Unlike this moronic "National Strike", this protest would actually help to make us a better country.

Just my $.02, your mileage may vary.


(My Reply)

It's hard to get upset over a reply like this. This person is obviously concerned with finding the correct group to be associated with and conforming his view to fit in with the group. This fellow brought a lot of baggage to the conversation. I didn't say anything about Republicans or Democrats. This person knows nothing of me or that I voted for Obama in the last election. I was disgusted with the Bush administration and like most people recoil at the thought of Sara Palin and John McCain running the country. I really liked Ron Paul but when faced with the possibility of a publicity hound like Sara Palin being in the white house I crossed my fingers and voted for Obama. I now realize I was duped, the big candidates on the "right" and "left" are just different sides of the same coin, and they push the same agenda. They've done a great job in dividing us and we'll soon be thoroughly conquered.

It is sad that this person puts so much faith into the government. Although it is probably a waste of time I will begin to answer his question. (though not completely or thoroughly by any means).

"Be specific.
Exactly what part of our constitution is being ignored?"


Amendment I

The right of the people to petition the Government for redress of grievances.

The founding fathers, in an act of the Continental Congress in 1774, said, "If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, the People may retain their money until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility."

This very American Right of Redress of Grievances Before Taxes is deeply embedded in our law.

The founding fathers fully recognized and clearly stated: that the Right of Redress of Grievances includes the right of Redress Before payment of Taxes, that this Right of Redress Before Taxes lies in the hands of the People, that this Right is the People’s non-violent, peaceful means to procuring a remedy to their grievances without having depend on – or place their trust in -- the government’s willingness to respond to the People’s petitions and without having to resort to violence.

How do you now exercise your right of redress? Especially when payment of taxes compounds your Grievances? If you don't pay you go to jail.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Ok, so you mean to tell me that the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping of our phones, email, GPS locations are constitutional? The Bush administration started it and the Obama administration has not only voted to continue it but expand it.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

The Obama Administration Authorizing the CIA to Kill US Citizens abroad looks like a pretty clear violation of the VI Amendment to me.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Speaks for itself.

Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Where does the Private For Profit Federal Reserve Bank fit into this? We pay hundreds of billions in interest every year to this currupt institutution. US taxpayers paid $380 billion dollars (on the books) to the Fed in interest payments in '09 can we say rip off? That would pay for our global war to secure oil 3 times over during the same year! The Fed prints the money out of thin air, loans it to the government at interest, and here we are. Government debt is good if you have ownership in the Fed. Since they control the printing presses and have never been audited we have no idea what they do with the money they print, but if Cris Dodd's Fed empowerment bill helps you to to feel safe at night by all means don't get angry.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -Thomas Jefferson

It's ok to be upset but know who your enemy is, it's not me and it's not the Tea Party.

Under Article 1 section 8

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two years;

The unconstitutional undeclared war in Afganistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and soon to be Iran is by far the longest war America has ever been in since it was founded.

This fellow had that part right, but he failed to recognize that the wars are still happening under the current administration. In other words (nothing's changed)

Article I section 9:

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, [unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herin before directed to be taken].

What is Capitation?

capitation /cap·i·ta·tion/ (kap″ĭ-ta´shun) the annual fee paid to a physician or group of physicians by each participant in a health plan.

capitation,
a payment method for health care services. The physician, hospital, or other health care provider is paid a contracted rate for each member assigned, referred to as "per-member-per-month" rate, regardless of the number or nature of services provided. The contractual rates are usually adjusted for age, gender, illness, and regional differences.

capitation fee,
n a predetermined per-person charge made by the carrier for benefits available under an insurance plan.

Lesson 1: A national tax for doing nothing (i.e. being taxed for not buying health insurance as mandated by the federal government) is a CAPITATION and must be proportioned, and because Leader Obama’s mandate is not proportioned it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Lesson 2: The automatic penalty for not buying health insurance in the recently passed healthcare deform legislation is either a tax, or it is a BILL OF ATTAINDER, which is just as UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

If your not pissed off your not paying attention.

(Oh, and as far as calling me stupid for supporting the Tea Party my IQ is 138)

Wednesday, April 14, 2010

National Strike - April 15th-18th

Groups across the country are calling for a national strike (no work, no shopping, no school) starting tomorrow to protest out of control government spending, banker bailouts, domestic spying programs, etc...

Here are a few...

Daily Paul
Snardfarker

Taxfree15.com
Whatreallyhappened.com

DON'T BUY!!! DON'T COMPLY!!! ASK WHY!!! OUR CONSTITUTION IS IGNORED, OUR RIGHTS ARE VIOLATED, WE'RE TAXED WITHOUT REPRESENTATION AND AS LONG AS WE GO ABOUT OUR LIVES AS USUAL THEY WIN AND WE PAY! WE THE PEOPLE SAY NO MORE!


I am now on the ballot in my in my area for precinct delegate. I urge anyone who is upset about with what's going on to get involved. Tomorrow is the 15th and there will be Tea Parties across the country. Sara Palin doesn't speak for me or the Tea Party, she's a publicity hound who's been put in front of the Tea Party to make it look bad. She's running around with her own group, tomorrow is the Real Peoples Tea Party. CHECK IT OUT!!!

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Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -- Pericles (430 B.C.)

Friday, February 26, 2010

The Peoples Tea Party

A friend of mine has said we need a “people’s Tea Party” without politicians trying to take control of it. He told me of a growing number of people planning a silent protest on April 15. He said that they plan to withdraw all their money from the banks on that day. He explained to me the beauty of this action is that it doesn’t require you to make a sign, drive to the capital, or stand in the cold. It's completely legal and you don’t need to lose your voice yelling and screaming either. You simply go to the bank all on the same day and withdraw your account to the bare minimum or nothing at all. He said if you’re worried about carrying that kind of money, you simply put it in a safety deposit box in the same bank. He said it will have the same effect either way, as long as the funds come off the bank balance sheets it will send a shock wave through the system that the government won’t be able to ignore. A $14 trillion dollar federal debt is a disgusting abuse of the American taxpayer. Enough is enough. You don’t need to sign a petition or call your congressman all you have to do on April 15 is take your money back. Don’t forget to tell your friends and your friend's friends.


Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property. But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder. Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain - and since labor is pain in itself - it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. -Frederick Bastiat, Economist, Statesman


Give me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws.
-Baron M.A. Rothschild

Whoever controls the money in any country is master of all its legislation and commerce.
-President James Garfield


We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies; domestic swindlers, rich and predatory money lenders which prey up on the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. The Federal Reserve Banks are the agents of the foreign central banks. The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States by the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board.
-75th Congressional Record 12595-12603


It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
-Henry Ford


The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts.
-Henry Ford